Podcast:
https://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/d/1/6/d16f2e140c40453f/TWiSP2020m10Thu08video.mp4?c_id=85509446&cs_id=85509446&destination_id=177897&expiration=1602242362&hwt=a47be4d87ff2be6670767258d0fec675
Audio file:
https://twispaudio.com/twisp-2020-m10-thu08-audio
